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  Racial Insensitivity

  by Coded Logic in

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  "blue" lives matter!

  - sheriff david clarke at the rnc.

  this bs really makes my blood boil.

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  Coded Logic

  There are numerous examples of people becoming very 'agitated' if someone uses the expression "ALL lives matter".
  -Simon

  There seems to be a fundamental lack of empathy on your part here Simon. Take a moment and put yourself in their shoes. Imagine that there is a very real chance you could be shot by the police without provocation. Imagine saying, "I don't deserve to get shot." And then I say back to you, "Everyone doesn't deserve to get shot." And I proceed to do NOTHING to address or change your predicament. Would that agitate you?

  So whatever list of cases you want to copy and paste is really irrelevant - would it be negated if we posted a list of white people shot?

  I'm more than a bit surprised you're asking me this as I specifically referenced this exact point in the comment your responding to. But no worries, it is again: African American's only represent 12% of the US population compared to whites who make up over 61% of the US population. Yet, when we look at the numbers of unarmed people shot by the police, 32 of them were white and 38 of them were black. This means that an unarmed black person is 6 times more likely to be shot by the police than unarmed white person is.
  

  Why do you include them in the numbers? To pad things out?

  
  No, I include them because I have to compare apples to apples. If you have some methodology via which we can identify and remove those numbers from the total for both black AND white persons I'd be interested to see those numbers. But in the mean time, we have to go with the information we have.
  

  The Dallas shooter will now be included in "black man killed by cops" no doubt . . .

  (face palm) These number are only "unarmed" individuals who were shot by the police
  

  . . . a perfect example of why looking at a raw total isn't enough to draw meaningful conclusions . . .

  
  Not for those of us who actually know how to read Simon. I swear, normally you're a pretty level headed guy. I don't know why you completely lose your ability/desire to comprehend peoples arguments whenever the issues of racial disparity are raised. Take a breather buddy. It's going to be okay.
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  Racial Insensitivity

  by Coded Logic in

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  "blue" lives matter!

  - sheriff david clarke at the rnc.

  this bs really makes my blood boil.

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  It would take cops 40 years to kill as many black men as have died at the hands of others black men in 2012 alone.

  Is this the standard we're setting for our police officers? It's okay to kill unarmed people so long as you don't commit as many killings as criminals do?
  
  
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  Racial Insensitivity

  by Coded Logic in

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  "blue" lives matter!

  - sheriff david clarke at the rnc.

  this bs really makes my blood boil.

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  ALL lives matter.

  
  

  "All lives" can't matter until black lives matter. That was the whole point of my OP. We respect the lives of police officers. We go to great efforts to keep them safe and make sure they have the tools they need to do their jobs. And when they fall we honor them.

  We have gone to great efforts to reduce the number of police deaths in this country. And we've been successful in doing so. When a cop dies the media doesn't say things like "well he was probably a criminal" and they don't go dragging out every little misstep they've ever had in their life.

  Conversely, walking down the street while black shouldn't be a hazardous job. And they shouldn't have to be in fear of those who we have charged with their protection.

  Imagine that you're sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don't get any. So you say, "I should get my fair share." And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, "Everyone should get their fair share." Now, that's a wonderful sentiment — Indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad's smart-ass comment just dismissed you and didn't solve the problem that you still haven't gotten any!

  
  
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  Racial Insensitivity

  by Coded Logic in

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  "blue" lives matter!

  - sheriff david clarke at the rnc.

  this bs really makes my blood boil.

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  Assuming that the number is correct, do we take into account other statistics that show that black people are more likely to commit violent crimes?

  Why would we need to take that into account? Is driving a violent crime?

  Black people aren't being pulled over disproportionately because they've committed violent crimes. They're being pulled over because of police bias. Please do not confuse these two completely separate issues.
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  Racial Insensitivity

  by Coded Logic in

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  "blue" lives matter!

  - sheriff david clarke at the rnc.

  this bs really makes my blood boil.

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  This idea that cops regularly shoot black people is not proven.
  - Simon

  Really? Let's just look at 2015 shall we? Because, to me, it sure seems like cops are shooting UNARMED black people fairly regularly.

  • Artago Damon Howard, an unarmed 36-year-old black man, was shot on Jan. 8, 2015, in a parking lot in Strong, Ark. Howard
  • Jeremy Lett an unarmed 28-year-old black man, was shot on Feb. 4, 2015, in a yard in Tallahassee, Fla. A Tallahassee
  • Lavall Hall an unarmed 25-year-old black man, was shocked with a stun gun and shot on Feb. 15, 2015, on a street in Miami Gardens, Fla.
  • Thomas Allen an unarmed 34-year-old black man, was shot on Feb. 28, 2015, in a vehicle in St Louis, Mo.
  • Charly Leundeu Keunang, an unarmed 43-year-old black man, was shocked with a stun gun and shot on March 1, 2015, on a street in Los Angeles, Calif.
  • Naeschylus Vinzant, an unarmed 37-year-old black man, was shot on March 6, 2015, on a street in Aurora, Colo.
  • Tony Robinson, an unarmed 19-year-old black man, was shot on March 6, 2015, in a house in Madison, Wis.
  • Anthony Hill, an unarmed 27-year-old black man, was shot on March 9, 2015, in Atlanta, Ga.
  • Bobby Gross an unarmed 35-year-old black man, was shot on March 12, 2015, in a subway tunnel in Washington, D.C.
  • Brandon Jones an unarmed 18-year-old black man, was shot on March 19, 2015, on a street in Cleveland, Ohio.
  • Eric Harris an unarmed 44-year-old black man, was shot on April 2, 2015, on a street in Tulsa, Okla.
  • Walter Scott, an unarmed 50-year-old black man, was shocked with a stun gun and shot on April 4, 2015, in a parking lot in North Charleston, S.C.
  • Frank Shephard an unarmed 41-year-old black man, was shot on April 15, 2015, after a car chase in Houston, Tex.
  • William Chapman an unarmed 18-year-old black man, was shot on April 22, 2015, in a parking lot in Portsmouth, Va.
  • David Felix an unarmed 24-year-old black man, was shot on April 25, 2015, in an apartment building in New York, N.Y.
  • Brendon Glenn an unarmed 29-year-old black man, was shot on May 5, 2015, on a street in Venice, Calif. Glenn
  • Kris Jackson an unarmed 22-year-old black man, was shot on June 15, 2015, in a motel in South Lake Tahoe, Calif.
  • Spencer McCain an unarmed 41-year-old black man, was shot on June 25, 2015, in an apartment in Owings Mills, Md.
  • Victor Emanuel Larosa an unarmed 23-year-old black man, was shot on July 2, 2015, in a yard in Jacksonville, Fla.
  • Salvado Ellswood an unarmed 36-year-old black man, was shocked with a stun gun and shot on July 12, 2015, in a parking lot in Plantation, Fla.
  • Albert Joseph Davis an unarmed 23-year-old black man, was shocked with a stun gun and shot on July 17, 2015, in an apartment building in Orlando, Fla.
  • Darrius Stewart an unarmed 19-year-old black man, was shot on July 17, 2015, on a street in Memphis, Tenn.
  • Samuel DuBose an unarmed 43-year-old black man, was shot on July 19, 2015, in Mt. Auburn, Ohio.
  • Christian Taylor an unarmed 19-year-old black man, was shot on Aug. 7, 2015, in a store in Arlington, Tex.
    
  • Asshams Pharoah Manley an unarmed 30-year-old black man, was shot on Aug. 14, 2015, in District Heights, Md. Manley
  • Felix Kumi an unarmed 61-year-old black man, was shot on Aug. 28, 2015, on a street in Mount Vernon, N.Y.
  • India Kager an unarmed 28-year-old black woman, was shot on Sept. 5, 2015, in Virginia Beach, Va.
  • Keith Harrison McLeod an unarmed 19-year-old black man, was shot on Sept. 23, 2015, in Reisterstown, Md.
  • Bennie Lee Tignor an unarmed 56-year-old black man, was shot on Oct. 31, 2015, in Opelika, Ala.
  • Jamar Clarkan unarmed 24-year-old black man, was shot on Nov. 15, 2015, on a street in Minneapolis, Minn. (was shot while he was in hancuffs)
  • Nathaniel Harris Pickett an unarmed 29-year-old black man, was shot on Nov. 20, 2015, in Barstow, Calif.
  • Miguel Espinalan unarmed 36-year-old black man, was shot on Dec. 8, 2015, in a park in Yonkers, N.Y.
  • Michael Noel an unarmed black man, was shot on Dec. 21, 2015, in Breaux Bridge, La.
  • Kevin Matthews an unarmed 35-year-old black man, was shot on Dec. 23, 2015, in Dearborn, Mich
  • Bettie Jones an unarmed 55-year-old black woman, was shot on Dec. 26, 2015, in an apartment in Chicago, Ill.
  • Keith Childress an unarmed 23-year-old black man, was shot on Dec. 31, 2015, in Las Vegas, Nev.

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  Some of these people were doing really stupid things and it's not too surprising they ended up getting shot. Some of these people had done absolutely nothing wrong and were outright murdered by the cops. And most were involved in some low level crime where lethal force was completely unjustified.

  African American's only represent 12% of the US population compared to whites who make up over 61% of the US population. Yet, when we look at the numbers of unarmed people shot by the police, 32 of them were white and 38 of them were black. This means that an unarmed black person is 6 times more likely to be shot by the police than unarmed white person is.

  I'd call that a very real problem!
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  Racial Insensitivity

  by Coded Logic in

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  "blue" lives matter!

  - sheriff david clarke at the rnc.

  this bs really makes my blood boil.

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  "BLUE" lives matter!
  - Sheriff David Clarke at the RNC

  
  

  This BS really makes my blood boil. We give our cops extensive training, specially modified cars, bullet proof vests, batons, mace, tasers, guns, and radios to call for back up so they can protect themselves and so they can stay safe. Even more important, every single police officer SIGNS UP FOR THE JOB!

  Do not for one second compare the hazards of being a cop with the unjustified killings of unarmed black men. Do not for one second think you can compare the honor filled funerals of fallen police officers where mayors come out and talk about "duty" and "patriotism" - with the unceremonious body bags of black victims who's every infraction and misdemeanor is touted before the press as public officials attempt to vilify the innocent.

  If we treated our African-American brothers 1/10th as well as we treat our cops no one would ever need to say the words "black lives matter".
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  Coded Logic

  If you thought I with (sic) short with people I thought were foolish before, well....

  
  

  I've learned not to argue with the Viv. I had my ass handed to me way too many times!
  
  
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  Mankind proved they can't rule?

  by Simon in

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  according to the jw doctrine, mankind has tried every form of goverment but ultimately failed to rule successfully.

  so many wars ... we really need big j to sort things out.

  what a swell guy.

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  Coded Logic

  Not to mention that God supposedly drowned everyone. Or that he had a "chosen people". Or that he had that chosen people commit genocide against a half dozen other nations . . . or the whole Jesus thing where all his "true followers" were constantly killing all his other "true followers" to determine who really had the providence of God.

  Humans might just be able to rule over humans if religious people would stop claiming to speak in the name of some higher power.
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  The Society, Race, and an always white Adam.

  by nicolaou in

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  okay, it's an old question but we haven't examined it here yet so let's have your thoughts.. adam was the progenitor of the whole human race, from his genes sprang the negroid, caucasian, mongoloid, indo-european and every other race on the planet.. the hebrew people were not selected as jehovah's chosen nation until abram had found favour with god so presumably all races were equal in his eyes before then [as indeed they always have been].. so then, what basis is there, if any, for deciding what adam and eve's skin colour may have been?.

  could they not indeed have been black?.

  this is a pointless discussion i grant you.

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  Mitochondrial Eve lived in the Rift Valley over 150,000 years ago - so she was certainly black. But since when does the WT care about getting the science right?
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  Demonizing the Watchtower

  by IslandWoman in

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  our 'beloved' old faith tried to teach us to hate other religions and all things that smacked of anything that was worldly.

  they demonized all things outside of their religion.. are some of us in danger of carrying that same thinking over to our new lives as former jws?

  could some here at first start out as an anti-cultist but in time allow this to become a 'religion' in itself?.

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  Coded Logic

  This is something I occasional see on some threads - some minor detail about the WT is blown completely out of proportion. But, on the whole, I think most on this forum make valid points and are reasonably fair in their critiques about the Borg.

  It's also noteworthy that a lot of what we point out isn't necessarily the WT doing something wrong. Rather, it's that what they're doing is completely hypocritical to the standard they hold everyone else too. For example, I have no problem with a religious organization being an NGO member with the UN. But it's the WT calling the UN the "wild beast" that makes the association such a scandal. Or that it says that Elders reporting crimes to the police is a "conscience" matter - but then tells couples they can't hold hands during meeting. Strain out the gnat - gulp down the camel.